When are kits back in stock?

[Einar]

Reading Anders' string of IF's pretty much confirms to me how I thought this looks like "behind the scenes". I doubt if it could be better explained. Read again.

If all the thoughts about these were raised and then rejected again in public, they would create more pro, and con posts. And also make the confusion total for those that don't know, or understand the reasons behind these iterations.

Do you think it is not like this in projects done by large companies? Having been both on the impatient end as well as inside projects, small and large, for more than 35 years I can tell you it is just like this almost every time. And there are usually several iterations before things are declared good enough for release. Shouting foul at developers is as counterproductive as it can get.

[Tobi]

Hi together,

first of all, we are sorry for all these issues in communication. We didn't realize that there might have be some misunderstanding in the past.

If you have questions, then please ask them.

This kind of communication scheme is intransparent, the conduct of the people in charge is arrogant: "keep them stupid, the idiots"

As mentioned, this was never our intention. We don't have a real timeline of the project and often our own plans change due to some unforeseen changes.

There are other projects, who can keep there clientele much more happy. Maybe you still can improve, hopefully.

What do you mean with "clientele"? Our participants, those who want to join our website visitors? Please tell us about these other projects.

There is nothing to keep you from building the station without getting a kit of parts. The schematic for the controller and amps is shown, and it can be built. The Discovery firmware and the firmware for the amp controllers can be downloaded.

This is possible, but you shouldn't do that. We can not give any support for such a hardware. If we will release a hardware next year (I hope!), then you might be disappointed for wasting time and money.

- There are a huge demand for new kits who's looks and looks for when they will be available, OK.

Not just huge (that was last year), but enormous. Several days with around 600 requests.

- First, in beginning of July, they are out for month-two. OK. But nowhere was any closer status about this.

Everybody who requested got a mail, but we ourselves didn't had enough information for more precise answer.

- When the kits finally went available, was there, if i remember right, nowhere any statements about the limited amount and that they are available only for areas with bad coverage.

We did send mails to those outside of Europe who requested a kit in the months before. I think there have been almost thousand recipients.

- And then few days later they went out for the rest of the year.

The kits were sold out after a few days. We tried so send them mainly to regions where some gaps have to be filled.

- As the creame of the cake was there some kind of "automatic answering-mashine-moderator" who put virtually same answer on all the questions.

Where? In our emails? Of course we often can not answer every question individually as they are mainly the same, so we use templates (but still answer individually if needed).

With this strategy, and if had waited for a kit, i had been really disappointed too, and, looked for other solutions.

You already have a station!? Why do you need a second one?

1. Why was the network expanded outside Europe if it is not ready for it?

Because during the last weeks we saw that the should put some more work into the optimization, instead of adding more and more stations. It's often not so obvious what's going on, TOA isn't that simple. Also remember that every station costs money - your money!

2. Why not expand to just one area at time instead of whole world at once?

There is no reason to do so.


Please note that I personally will not answer on such criticism any more if not really needed. Please believe us that we will try to do the best for YOU. We will keep you updated as much as possible.


Have FUN!

Best regards
Tobi

[W7DRM]

I would like to add to Tobi's response which, by the way, probably took him away from working on the Blitzortung project for quite some time. Time that I am sure he could use on the project rather than trying to defend his actions and those of the other developers.

If you haven't noticed, the development team has enlisted the help of a few of us to assist them in handling the forum. The intent of this is simply to allow the developers to work on the things they need to be working on and not answering the myriad of questions being asked on the forums.

However, Tobi has now stepped-in when it became apparent that even though we have attempted to answer your questions relative to kit availability, many of you simply won't accept the facts that have been put forth by any of us. Tobi has very clearly shown, in numbers, the high volume of questions and requests for kits they have been getting even though it has been clearly stated in the forum that they are not currently available. Once again, all of these requests detract the developers from the tasks.

So, let's all take a deep breath, relax and let the developers do their thing (the way they want to do it, which just might not be the way you or I think it should be done ). In due time; however, those new kits and servers will be ready for more expansion.

[tpweather]

Apologies if I have offended anyone. You will hear from me no more until invited to buy a kit.

Good luck!

[Sylvain.Cadieux]

Good Morning everyone,

I understand the kit will not be available for couple of month, but is the circuit board for the controller and the Amplifier is still available as i'm ready to find the part somewhere else and build the kit myself.

If the board is available, how we process to order it and what is the price to ship in Canada. I have probably 3 or 4 person in my area who is ready to setup a station and we just need the circuit board.

Please confirm.

Thank you.

[DelandeC]

Hello Sylvain,

Check the "Blitzortung.org in general" internal forum. ;)
There is a post from Egon.

Regards,

[weatherc]

Where? In our emails?

No, on the forums.

You already have a station!? Why do you need a second one?

Yes, as i said, IF i had waited for getting a station had i been disappointed too....

Not just huge (that was last year), but enormous. Several days with around 600 requests.

I'm sure lots of those requests and other frustations/disappointments had could been avoided with a simple "kits availability"-thread, like the firmware-thread in internal forum, with up-to-date-info about "out of stocks", when available, for what areas, for who, etc.
With other words, with better communication.

// henkka

[Detlef_A]

Hi Folks

I understand the kit will not be available for couple of month, but is the circuit board for the controller and the Amplifier is still available as i'm ready to find the part somewhere else and build the kit myself.

I have probably 3 or 4 person in my area who is ready to setup a station and we just need the circuit board.

Hello Sylvain,

Check the "Blitzortung.org in general" internal forum.
There is a post from Egon.

Regards,

I also asked for the naked board. I was told there are none available. That doesn't seeem to be true for everybody.

I'm fully aware that the developers do their very best in the limited time they can spend on this project. May be they are overrun to some extent by the overwhelming success.

But why not surf on that wave: Release the board layout data to the public (Gerber or whatever) and supply a list of components. By this you get rid of all the kit handling stuff.

Board layout data, component list, program download, server access, that is all the skilled crowd out there is in need of to participate. So you, the developers, get your hands free to keep the backbone running instead of replying to 600 inquiries and forum posts. All the sucessful 'open' projects I'm aware of (Raspberry, Red Pitaya ..) do not handle their hardware.

Thanks for the project
hope can join soon too
73 from Berlin/Germany
Detlef
DD4WV

[cutty]

Hi Folks

I understand the kit will not be available for couple of month, but is the circuit board for the controller and the Amplifier is still available as i'm ready to find the part somewhere else and build the kit myself.

I have probably 3 or 4 person in my area who is ready to setup a station and we just need the circuit board.

Hello Sylvain,

Check the "Blitzortung.org in general" internal forum.
There is a post from Egon.

Regards,

I also asked for the naked board. I was told there are none available. That doesn't seeem to be true for everybody.

I'm fully aware that the developers do their very best in the limited time they can spend on this project. May be they are overrun to some extent by the overwhelming success.

But why not surf on that wave: Release the board layout data to the public (Gerber or whatever) and supply a list of components. By this you get rid of all the kit handling stuff.

Board layout data, component list, program download, server access, that is all the skilled crowd out there is in need of to participate. So you, the developers, get your hands free to keep the backbone running instead of replying to 600 inquiries and forum posts. All the sucessful 'open' projects I'm aware of (Raspberry, Red Pitaya ..) do not handle their hardware.

Thanks for the project
hope can join soon too
73 from Berlin/Germany
Detlef
DD4WV

I'm not sure I understand.... you seem to believe this system is "open source"? It isn't.

Nor is it "plug and play:. Nor is it for those who cannot supply accurate data to the network, for whatever reason, noise, extra signals, inability to mediate interfering signals, those who build 'systems' with parts that do not conform to the standards laid out...... or for those who simply want an operator's "id" to use the raw data... etc.... .

Schematics etc are available on the web for various "lightning detector" receivers, including Blitzortung http://www.blitzortung.org/Documents/TOA...ng_RED.pdf? .... find 'em and build 'em as you wish.... That does NOT mean your system can interface with Blitzortung, even if you've purchased "Blitzortung Boards",.... if you decide a 10% tolerance resistor is as good as a 1% and want help from this forum and the developers, you may find you've invested time and money in a losing situation.... .

and please remember, this "network" does NOT have a goal of "compatibility" as 'generic' projects. The goal is to locate and report time of lightning strikes and their location with the best accuracy possible. It's not about pleasing everybody. Sorry... that's the way it is. Someone is always bound to be unhappy, We wish it were not that way.., but it's a fact of life and development of "volunteer projects" everywhere.

What we'd ask, I think, is that folks simply accept things the way they are, at the moment... instead of 'complaining'.. offer solutions... some of which will be implemented, some of which will be ignored... put please, never consider it personal... !

We know we've got the best "free lance lightning data" network going... so do the "big boys"... and so do their clients!...

Let's not mess up that wonderful situation with all this negative,.... let's allow the system and network to grow and mature, and....
your time will come to be part of what will be one of the finest 'crowd sourcing' data service world wide... even though we call it a 'hobby'... someday you will read of a life you've saved somewhere far away, because they had been aware of Lightning through the websites, both BO and Participants, or through one of the APPS for smartphones....

But all this 'fussing' 'complaining' 'criticism' does NOT help.... it only delays things....
If anything, we should be encouraging the developers... who started it as a 'hobby'.... and are absolutely overwhelmed by the tremendous interest it has created...,

Please, allow a "learning curve" and give all of us a chance to produce the best damn lightning locating system the world has ever seen...

[Tobi]

But why not surf on that wave: Release the board layout data to the public (Gerber or whatever) and supply a list of components. By this you get rid of all the kit handling stuff.

...

Board layout data, component list, program download, server access, that is all the skilled crowd out there is in need of to participate. So you, the developers, get your hands free to keep the backbone running instead of replying to 600 inquiries and forum posts. All the sucessful 'open' projects I'm aware of (Raspberry, Red Pitaya ..) do not handle their hardware.

You can NOT compare those projects with us! Our hardware is only one of several parts in the project. All the other things like firmware, servers, computing algorithms, communication are needed too. Additionally our hardware has also an analogue part with a very specific broadband VLF amplifier. Please don't forget, that the stations depend on each other! An equal timing and signal quality is needed, otherwise the whole thing would not work. So far we don't know about other projects with similar requirements (in combination!). Unfortunately a lot of users don't understand that.

And of course the way of ordering and shipping hardware will be changed next year.