Red EField Boards **Pointless I Guess**

[davidmc36]

Is there any way to get the files for PCB 13 and 14? I would like to get some made. I see places that will make boards and do the SMD part.

Seems a lot of the files are purged from BO database.

TIA

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[davidmc36]

Ooooookaaaaayyyyy.

So it seems I stumbled on the .brd and .sch files.

I guess nobody dropped by who knew the location.

The next question is, there must be some programming to be loaded onto the Atmega.

How would that happen?
If I got the boards built, will I be able to use them?
I see info about firmware for the STM32.

I was looking at a place that would make small batch boards and install the SMD components. Pricey im sure but i would really like to have the E Field. I have built a few projects like this supplied with board and SMD and I do the through hole.

[davidmc36]

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The next question is, there must be some programming to be loaded onto the Atmega.

How would that happen?....

So the STM32 takes care of it on start-up?

"5.5.3 Start-up Sequence
After a reset or power-on, the controller initializes itself and peripherals, like CPU-Clocks, LCD,
Real-Time-Clock, I/Os, Amplifiers and USARTs. "

[davidmc36]

... small batch boards and install the SMD components. Pricey im sure but .....

Not that outrageous actually for 5 to 20 boards.

Is anybody interested if I got some made???

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[davidmc36]

I get a quote of about 160USD+tx for 10 boards each of 13_1b and 14_1b.

[davidmc36]

Appears pointless to even bother trying. Not enough inof of SMD part numbers. Too generic.

This is to purposely prohibit any manufacturing outside of official channels????

Didn't realize this would be such a "Taboo" topic. 

[cutty]

Appears pointless to even bother trying. Not enough inof of SMD part numbers. Too generic.

This is to purposely prohibit any manufacturing outside of official channels????

Didn't realize this would be such a "Taboo" topic. 

Actually, not 'taboo'.... just obsolete.  Maybe a few years too late. 
With recent life events, I've had to back off activities, but I watch the forum, just can't participate as much.  It's cool to see someone grab hold of this thing and pursue it 'with vigor'.... I felt like your efforts deserved a heartfelt response, from my point of view and opinion... maybe sounds a bit tactless, but here goes...

 Users of red aren't necessarily into either expanding, or repairing their systems, since the red technology is over a decade old, and MANY system parts aren't available anymore, or extremely difficult to find... remember this was a 'hand assembled' system, using old design and style components. Most who 'wanted' E field, added it when it was actually 'available'. There are few folks who have acquired an older 'retired' red from someone who either already have E field circuitry, OR are not interested. The  original "E field" was "basically" an add on for RED, has Three different bandwidth channels, was refined to a single channel in the BLUE 'max' system, and deemed impractical for the (basically) plug'n'play, lower cost BLUE mini system.  E Field operation is distinct and separate from H field, offers different analysis potential, and was basically so misunderstood by the general operator population, that EGON, et.al. never really proceeded with the complex algorithms to  process the potential stroke parameters E offers. The original E operating paradigm somehow got lost in the 'race to be number one, how far can I 'detect', etc... stuff.  My opinion.  Damn shame, actually. 

Along similar lines, few operators IMO actually understand how they're missing the boat on H field operation, and I'm convinced that EGON et.al. have been very reluctant to actually implement calculations of precision, etc., simply because there are so many improperly configured systems, weird antenna configurations, all about the 'how do I compare with others' mentality, etc... and a lack of understanding exactly how this network functions, much less of "what is lightning".  The parameters the system is capable of utilizing (assuming E field was also properly understood and implemented for some parameters) include polarity, type, relative energy, even altitude and possibly 'distance stroke traveled'... (with some serious computer power and processing... altitude and relative power are TOUGH), but such goes undeveloped on the server because of the widespread inconsistency in station parameters.

Keep on 'trudging'!   Enjoy!
Mike

[davidmc36]

Appears pointless to even bother trying. Not enough inof of SMD part numbers. Too generic.

This is to purposely prohibit any manufacturing outside of official channels????

Didn't realize this would be such a "Taboo" topic. 

...... EGON, et.al. never really proceeded with the complex algorithms to  process the potential stroke parameters E offers. The original E operating paradigm somehow got lost .........but such goes undeveloped on the server because of the widespread inconsistency in station parameters.

Keep on 'trudging'!   Enjoy!
Mike

Meaning what exactly?

If it were even constructed and connected, it would not provide any contributory data anyway?

My only real motivation to add it was thinking of improving my contribution.

I won't bother unless I managed to stumble on one. Not knowing the EXACT part numbers means there would be a 99% chance of producing some unknown/useless result.

Thanks for stopping by anyway.

My focus now will be on taking a swing at shorter shielded wires from the H antenna to Pre-Amp. With possibly relocating outside in an enclosure I would have to build. I have some direct burial cable to feed it.

Today I already replaced the power supply. Went form 4.45V to 4.95V and quite a bit less ripple. Half as much actually.

[Andrew.Instone-Cowie]

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The next question is, there must be some programming to be loaded onto the Atmega.

How would that happen?....

So the STM32 takes care of it on start-up?

"5.5.3 Start-up Sequence
After a reset or power-on, the controller initializes itself and peripherals, like CPU-Clocks, LCD,
Real-Time-Clock, I/Os, Amplifiers and USARTs. "

The ATmega8’s on the Red amplifiers have to be pre-loaded with their own small firmware, then the main controller can communicate with them. The firmware hex file is/was on the firmware site, I think I still have a copy somewhere. Programming requires a hardware programmer, or you could use an Arduino as a programmer similar to the way you would burn the Arduino boot loader onto a new MCU. I used the Arduino GUI and a hardware programmer when I fried one of my amps!

HTH
Andrew